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It's Over. Deltatroon is FINISHED.
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>>133334
Idk if I'd be the one to helm such a project but for anyone who would some ideas to consider would be to hone in on Noelle being the final antagonist for the true ending for the game such as Suise friend zoning her in chapter 4 and to have Kris' design be like the vessel you made (since the vessel creator is called gonermaker in the files) or possibly to have Kris' class not be set until you enter the dark world to show how they're (you)r vessel

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>>133333
vnnoticed GET

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>>133383
>>133334
yeah it's a very nice get

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>>133346
I guess i'll put some more ideas now since I'm bored: to expand on being able to choose Kris' class I'd say you should get a choice of 4 or 8 unique ones that change your playstyle and add actual replayability. I think a good selection would be Warrior (the default), Mage, Archer, Thief, Bard (perhaps given a homestuck easteregg?), Engineer, Druid, and Warlock. Archer would have an easier time achieving critical hits, Thief would be more of a dps build, Engineer is focused on using gadgets to skew the battle in the lancer fan club's advantage while Mage, Bard, Druid, and Warlock would all focus on magic with all of them getting heal prayer but in very different ways with mage being the all rounder magic class, bard themed around music and being more support, Druid being a mage tank that can shapeshift into darkners you've spared, while Warlock is a gaster themed glass cannon (yes, including the blasters and some exclusive gaster encounters). Another change would be you would get xp from sparing enemies since not doing so is a holdover from undertale that can go since you level up after sealing each fountain anyway, but fighting them does give you better stat boosts when you level up also leveling up allows you to further specialize your class such as the choice to access magic as a warrior, archer, thief, or engineer or removing the pacifist requirement for the druid's transformations. Also the knight fight could easily be moved to chapter 4 as it would be more hype there and possibly give it some Sauron symbolism and instead in chapter 3 it would kill Tenna/Tenna's replacement and just leave before Kris, Susie, or Ralsei can do anything.

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I like ralsei

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>>133162
Also I bet that the deltarune fans are so mad that people agree with him

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>>133419
why tho?

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fennekinFox326 because your reading this thread call you tell us what do you think of Orkastle

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>>133400
Ok so some more hypothetical deltarune rewrite shi since I feel like it
Chapter 1 is mostly the same as is except Ralsei's overworld sprite and talk sprite when he takes the hat off will not look like every other goat monster but be based on his sprites while he had the hat on.

Chapter 2 is where major changes happen as instead of the takeout gag at the beginning l, Toriel isn't home and instead there's an eaten up pie and you get to explore hometown on your own and meet up with Susie who's a bit more like how she was at the end of chapter 1, both of you head to class late, and after Susie tells Noelle to fuck off for being a rich prep like this 4cuck rewrite of chapter 2, you finally bump into Toriel after leaving the dark world to do your homework who will talk Kris' ear off and mention it being more dangerous in hometown, mentioning that somebody broke into the library for no reason, some quirk changes nonsense will from here on out be removed or reworked as to not repeat myself and eventually instead of realizing Noelle is into her she admits Noelle was nicer than she thought to set things up for chapter 4.

Chapter 3 will be slightly longer as we need a new secret boss (based off the purple soul) as the knight will be moved to chapter 4 and Tenna will be completely overhauled to be more of a televangelist to tie into the chess piece theme king and queen had (tenna now filling the bishop role) and after the knight kills him, it'll simply leave to set up a grudge match for chapter 4.

At chapter 4 the prophecy given there is reworked as to not invalidate the one in chapter 1 instead expanding on it and the knight fight from chapter 3 is here now and even gives you an extra shadow crystal, finally at Noelle's house Susie will friendzone Noelle which seriously messes with her mood and mental state for the rest of the chapter.

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>>133691
Forgot the post award

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I know Fennekin saw this already but the other 'teens in this thread should know about this.

A Xitter user made a long blog post critiquing Deltarune and it caused huge seethe from Deltatroons. I disagree with some elements of it but much of it is worth reading and I think it should be spread more.
https://greedykeeblerelf.blogspot.com/2026/03/a-critique-of-deltarune.html

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>>133759
"Toby Fox has created a simulacrum of a video game. It represents nothing. It provides no artistic merit or expression because the expression it offers is that of someone else. It is the mathematical average of the imposed desires of every single player. When I played Deltarune, I wanted Toby Fox’s vision. I wanted the vision Toby Fox had allegedly spent over a decade attempting to bring to life. For brief glimpses in Chapter 1, I almost got it. I didn’t want a vision centered on the expectations of any given audience, but especially not his core “fandom” audience. In terms of gameplay, Deltarune offers next to no challenge with entirely hollow, meaningless mechanics that only serve to provide RPG-themed set dressing, without ever actually being one."
It's a tanzanite trvth nvke

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>>133766
but also the fact that Toby's addicted to subverting expectations means that the ending is going to be bad, possibly GOT season 8 levels of bad

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>>133759
also shoutout to the poster of the blog for calling Toby's "fanbase" the cult of personality it is

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>>133767
I think the LOST and Heartbound comparisons were perfect.

But the blog made me wonder, how long WILL Deltarune go for until its at a point where being a newcomer is too hard to get another resurgence in popularity?

When Chapter 2 came out, the newcomers had at this point completely missed undertale's peak popularity and hype train. Even when watching/playing undertale fully many did not know anything about Gaster as the conversation died and then when Deltarune came out it picked right back up with everyone expected to know about that previous era.

I remember the original Survey Program release of Deltarune Chapter 1 was talked about almost exclusively as "Undertale 2" or along that line. This was only 2-3 after Undertale's release so the idea that people who encountered it being unaware of UT and its discussions wasn't really something to consider.

Move to September of 2021, during the pandemic and a huge shift for the internet and online only projects, Deltarune chapter 2 comes out in a surprise free release. Newcomers this time around simply were not there to experience the original popularity and theory discussions for Undertale. The video shown is an example of one made in response to this.
At the time that video was made, it would've been all someone needed to understand Gaster. It still was an ongoing thing, so to a newcomer it wasn't difficult to jump on the "hype-train" that older fans were already in.
Now that video, by itself at least, has been rendered obsolete for the problem it previously solved. There's new content for the game revolving that, and a newcomer would not get the full picture by looking at a now outdated video.

Yet, every new chapter will mean that the information required to hop aboard this theorycrafting "hype-train" will become longer, more comprehensive, and would take more effort.

Previously you could get most of the "hidden" details just by seeing some rare sprites and dialogue. Before the release of chapters 3/4 and after the release of Chapter 2 there were 2 ARGs full of lore. The blog puts it better than I do, but something undoubtedly will not be able to be replicated for those coming in after that. A part of the experience would be much more difficult (the sweepstakes videos don't give really anything story-wise apart of the ARG) to go through if you weren't there when it was happening. As the game goes on it would just get harder and harder to understand.

Also I would like to bring up something else. Howard/Orkastle was already mentioned twice previously in this thread so I don't see much use in mentioning him more, but I watched one of Howard's streams and he was talking about how Toby is beginning to have a (slow) dissonance with some of his fanbase. The streamer noted recent attempts at canceling Toby. While he says that those cancellation attempts have failed badly, the fact that they previously weren't as common is something to note.

While I didn't think too much of this when I first heard it, the critique blog helped me understand whats going on.

The section of the blog about players "missing out" on the community/theorycrafting of Deltarune from its start will have a larger Dissonance with Toby the less they understand the "hidden" parts of the game. As said there, Dess is practically just a few passing mentions if you ONLY play the game, even if you find any possible eastereggs/bosses. They will play, like, and enjoy the game, but slowly less will have the mental attachment to the game that you think of when you think of Deltarune's abysmal fanbase. (or as referred to in the blog, the cult of personality)

Names like Dess will just feel like passing mentions to those that haven't looked at any theories or communities. The impact the game expects you to have when the inevitable reveal arrives will be lost on you, and maybe even feel rushed, as you weren't apart of Deltarune as a fandom. You played Deltarune in full up until now, but you didn't experience it in full. Something will feel off. You could watch videos on the lore and ARGs, and if you happen to like it enough you may understand it better and begin to see it as apart of it. But if you don't check out videos, or you do and it doesn't resonate with you? Now your someone who is aware of the game, who may be apart of Toby's target audience, but you didn't drink the Kool-Aid. You don't feel like you owe yourself to him or his games. You aren't part of the cult, your part of the dissonance.

This is where I believe those cancellation attempts came from. Like I said, these types of people will come slowly, but every chapter release will lead to these becoming more common.

I definitely don't believe the game will ever lose popularity, at least before the last chapter has long been out. But the line that new fans will have to cross to truly feel like they're "in" will tighten, and this may cause cracks in Toby's fanbase down the line.

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>>133774
fair enough an assessment. Even with Toby's retcons to try and go back to his quirk chungus comfort zone, he's put himself into a position where it's becoming harder and harder to bring in new fans each chapter. So by the last chapter (whatever that may be) I don't think it will bring in many new initiates to the cult if any at all. And yes while people will still unquestioningly defend Toby and that won't change ever, a shitty ending like the ones Naruto or GOT had will kill any hype Deltarune has going for it left near instantly.

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>>133775
not bringing in any at all is a stretch. I more of see it as less investment into him, but stuff like Youtubers playing the new chapters or memes of the characters will undoubtedly have more people consider themselves fans of the game, even if they don't touch the game or focus on the story and will forget or lose investment about it much faster then those who became fans earlier.

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>>133512
femboy porn

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>>133777
true that, and honestly you're absolutely right on the ones who don't even play deltarune losing interest or forgetting faster than those who became fans earlier. I guess it makes sense as it'll turn off more people who want to play the game with how things are going, but we'll have to see if the final chapter really does crash and burn.

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you are all wrong and are making my clitty leak. debate me

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>>133779
Get help nigga

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>>133808
marge, what are you talking about?

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>>133813
i'm good gng

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>>133851
deltarune is the greatest game ever and is sharty culture

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>deltarune is the greatest game ever and is sharty culture

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>>133861
ignore ts because I forgot to make it a quote award

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>>133878
THIS. DID NOT. HAPPEN. THIS IS RETARDED FANON.

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>THIS. DID NOT. HAPPEN. THIS IS RETARDED FANON.

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>>133903
yes I look like this by the way, how could you tell?
<deltatroon wqnned.
almost every criticism in this thread is invalid niggerbabble btw

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>almost every criticism in this thread is invalid niggerbabble
>even dough there's evidence that it is valid and deltatroon was never sharty culture

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this guy is really retarded but he is glazed by chuds because he owns da heckin' troons (evendoe he himself an autistic FNF pedonigger kek)
>game is fun LE BAD because… IT'S JUST IS, OKAY?
>game is serious LE BAD because it's just comes us fun instead. Also we need a little child rape in our game pretty please
>susie's backstory is just one big traumadump evendoe it's isn't and it gets expanded in the previous and the next chapters
>gerson's fight doesn't have a relation to deltarune at all EVENDOE DURING THE WHOLE CHAPTER HE WAS CAREFULLY ESTABLISHED TO DISBELIEVE AND CHALLENGE THE PROPHECY WHILE ALSO HELPING SUSIE INCREASE HER HEALING SKILLS CULMINATING IN THIS FIGHT AND I HAVE TO BE A BLIND RETARDED NIGGER TO NOT SEE THIS
>secret bosses being hard bad
>secret bosses being easy bad
>secret bosses being secret bad
>this chapter didn't move the plot at all evendoe it did and it also gave a tutorial on weird route and the egg man. Such a waste of time!
>tenna is just spamton evendoe they are completely different characters with differing relation to Kris

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>>133974
> glazed by chuds because he owns da heckin' troons
who is this goy? fr fr

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>>133974
hi my name is nobaldi and i just got baited by this also r/rapevictims is that way

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>>133400
>>133691
To get things back on track from that baiter I guess I'll expand on this how the classes would work is that once Kris and Susie fall into the dark world for the first time you get a conversation with Gaster again fascinated on how similar a vessel kris is to the one you made and decides to give you the last choice he had planned before the vessel was scrapped and that's how you get your class and from there as to keep tension points relevant you, susie, and ralsei will get moments at different points across the chapters to gain new abilities for example Warrior Kris learns cross slash while with Susie on the way to school in the beginning of chapter 2.

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>>133985
I am the "baiter" but your ideas seem to be pretty interesting leaning into a more traditional rpg, care to tldr me?

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>>133991
basically one of the critiques was that 1. Tension Points are basically worthless as all they're used for are a stronger attack, healing, or sleep (which is useless with Susie being able to act so it might as well be scrapped) and 2. that Deltarune is barely an RPG at all to the point that Toby removed the RPG tag on steam so the class idea + learning more skills across the story would fix that problem. From there sparing and fighting to give xp as deltarune's equivalent to genocide isn't reliant on xp or levels and on leveling up you can influence how Kris' stats change and nobody else giving you more replayability as well

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>>133984
how am i leaking i just asked a question

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>>134053
probably either a genuine toby glazer or a retard trying to get
attention

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>>>104393
>>Checked the like/dislike ratio on my phone
>How?

revanced

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>>104636
>troonmoko pfp

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Oh yeah ICE agent Toby is getting btfo'd by Aryan Latinx beasts on xitter

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>>134136
geg show this

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So the more cancellation attempts/fan alienation thing was in fact true. To my surprised instead of ignoring it he directly responded to it pretty much saying "I will tell Fangamer/Soho to do better."

He should've just asked the twitter accounts for the companies to put a statement that he wasn't involved in the distribution and that they will try to expand to other countries. The fact that he responded on his own account to something like this could create an expectation to respond to anything else that comes up in the future.

I'm saying this as someone who is a fan of his work and had a fun time with UTDR, this really isn't good for him (even if this one situation is resolved, which Im sure it will) and will cause larger and larger issues as time goes on.

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>>134161
Honestly yeah, he is so fucked

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>>134162
Genuinely imagine if Deltarune does crash and burn in its final chapter or Toby announces some bullshit nobody wants, you know damn well he has to follow the president set by the latinx incident

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>>134166
Toby's response didn't even sate the latinx community's hatred. JSID

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>>134167
Im checking twitter and holy shit they're still going

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>>134188
GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEG

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>>134136
>>134161
>satoko single-handedly redeems ximself by BTFOing toby fox



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