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>>3549527Nigger that's not a lie, I was desperately trying not to laugh my ass off while I explained it, he genuinely didn't know geg
>>3549522Because he's a faggot who didn't win, why would I lie and say he did?
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>>3549530if hes a retard would he really ever understand the truth? the why part is the peace you get out of it
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whats going on
whats this argument about
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>>3548469 (OP)living oxymoron
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>>3549537100IQ incels arguing about whether the trans suicide rate is as high as the chuddies say
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>>3549537A nigger is leaking at me and the Swede. Me for calling him out on his "my father doesn't know how to play rock paper scissors" bullshit and the Swede debunked him with facts and empirical data which caused him to leak, take his ball, and go home.
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>>3549531Fair point, but I'm also too autistic to let a retard think he's right. I just genuinely don't want to go on an academic deep-dive right now, I'm eating and I've got D&D soon.
>>3549534First, that rate is pre-transition to begin with, and even the studies you cite acknowledge that. Second, a group that is mentally ill by definition has an increased rate of suicidal thoughts. Such a shocking development, I can't believe it. Now fuck off and let me eat in peace you retarded faggot.
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>>3549545Ermmm the swede AND I*
i thought that 41% figure was always for attempted doe
why is that far fetched
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>>3549551I don't have the authority to comment on that issue, but at least I'm smart enough to admit that I don't understand it. Dunning Kruger nigger here is arguing with observable data and valuing anecdotes over reality.
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replace social welfare with social insurance so that phonos have to be employed to claim benefits
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>>3549561thank you so much
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>>3549545>leak, take his ball, and go homeUnlike you I actually have other shit to do in my life and friends to spend time with.
>>3549551The retards behind the 41% study genuinely counted suicidal thoughts as actual attempts, they were that stupid.
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>>3549556I'm sorry to hear that
>>3549564what about the 2 studies that Swede linked?
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>>3549548>First, that rate is pre-transition to begin with, and even the studies you cite acknowledge that.The rate after SRS is unchanged and the most recent paper showed HIGHER rates of mental illness after the surgery than before. There is no long term proof that gender delusion treatment causes any improvement in mental health.
>Second, a group that is mentally ill by definition has an increased rate of suicidal thoughts.Shifting goalposts, you started off denying the numbers now you're trying to make it out as if you always affirmed high suicidality.
<Just pack it up bro.
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Just admit that you lost and that the Swede is more intelligent than you. Go hang out with the friends you don't have.
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>>3549568I literally never denied they have elevated rates you dumb fucking nigger, I was always SPECIFICALLY pointing out the problems with the one study that retards constantly cite. It is not my fault you cannot fucking read.
>>3549567Swede himself cites that it's anywhere from 18-45%, to have that much of a range in data means the data is inconclusive to begin with.
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>>3549577That study also literally blames bullying and shitty family members for the majority of the problem, not simply being a tranny.
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>>3549567Also he's just wrong, larger studies show it's around 35-45%, he likely just heard about "one bad study" and repeats that.
>>3549574And yet the first paper I cited showed 40% and IIRC Mak et.al's 2020 papershowed that it was 35%-45%, fully inline with the chud claims.
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SNCAnvke
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>>3549585why does it matter who they blame?
i believe it is out of scope. as the argument was never "because theyre troons" it was that "41% of troons attempt suicide"
all these datapoints point to 41% being a reasonable number. However troons are not a global homogeneous species so i imagine it is hard to study.
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>>3549591Somebody specifically brought up that "one bad study", and that's what I've been talking about this entire fucking time you braindead nigger, holy shit.
>>3549596It being hard to study is the crux of the problem that niggers like swedefag fail to grasp when they quote this shit to begin with.
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>>3549601Hard does not mean impossible, or render any studies on them meaningless. The current academia has no reason to slander troons
most pipo who attempt suicide are doing it for larps anyway
but thats a different can of worms
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>>3549601And yet the recent studies confirm the results, you just keep denying them with absurd justifications, just give up bro.
<Lifetime suicide attempt rates are around 32-41%, fully in line with chud claims.
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>>3549601Also, to reiterate the swedish study:
>Although there are no official estimates of deaths by suicide among transgender people, one study in Sweden showed that transgender individuals undergoing gender affirmation surgery were at 19 times greater risk for dying by suicide than the general population Nearly 20 times, absurdly high rates.
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>>354961220x isnt enough, what was the percentage?
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>>3549613It was on completed rates, most attempts fail.
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>>3549615what was the general rate?
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>>3549605The primary issue is that almost none of the studies control for external factors, including distinguishing between pre and post-transition, abusive families, or anything like that. The most you can realistically extract from the data is that trans people are more likely to be in situations that push them to suicide.
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>>3549629to determine whether its causation or correlation
chicken or the egg
seems very hard
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>>3549619The rate of suicide attempts in the US alone, which is on the higher end globally iirc, is like just over 1%, which would put even an insane 20x increase like the swede is claiming well below the 41% rate people claim.
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>>3549639its within the range
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>>3549639theres no way 1 in 100 people
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>>3549639also thats for sweden and entirely different data scopes
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>>3549629"Abusive families" have no effect, the study ignored confounding, differences in suicidality completely disappear when correcting for mental illness.
<Transsexuals who are lower class and abusive towards their families (both correlate with higher mental illness rates) tend to get disowned, not to mention that the study you're referring to wasn't preregistered and was funded by a pro-trans group.
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>>3549647The study was also on completed suicide, not the lifetime attempt rate which is around 32-41%.
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>>3549647Considering the US rates are likely higher than Sweden's, it's still useful for perspective. Suicide attempt rates in the US are actually lower than I initially stated because I got some fucked-up data, it's closer to 0.6%. A 20x increase on that is 12.5%.
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>>3549649I wasn't even referring to a specific study nigger, that's just something you can glean from reading the studies yourself.
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>>3549661the 20x increase is for completed suicide as Swede stated doe
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>>3549665The main paper that is cited in bait-tosses is just the one I mentioned
>>3549661The study was for completed rates, see
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>>3549669The point I'm trying to make here is that there genuinely isn't enough solid, properly corrected data to really be able to draw a conclusion beyond the fact that trannies are at an increased risk of suicide, which I have never once disagreed with.
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>>3549670You have repeatedly been arguing that the data was inconclusive and I showed you multiple studies showing a lifetime attempted suicide risk of 32-41% and one paper showing suicidal ideation at over 80% and completed suicide rates that were 20x higher.
<Do you admit that the chud number of 40% suicide attempt rate isn't far from the truth now?
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>>3549676I don't agree that your studies are actually conclusive, no. Considering that I'm seeing a sample size of 500 individuals at most, I maintain that the data is not sufficient.